Actually, my position is the reverse - it's time to point out to those that lost the election that they cannot win an election by undermining their own country abroad, calling their opponent an racist, a fascist, a cokehead, a deluded religious zealot, a moron, and a klansman. Now is the time to make these points, before they start rationalizing some sort of emotional cover, and constructing reasons to believe that their loss was in fact, because the general public doesn't agree with them.

As for moving to Canada - great! The sort of Canadian who moves here is generally someone who has a great deal of potential, highly educated and successful, and is sickened by their circumstances there. They have structured their economic policy to discourage success, PC-ify and tax themselves into a laze-about stupor. Moreover, if you have any sort of centrist or conservative personal convictions, there is virtually no way to express them.

So, by all means, let them go there. And welcome to their citizens who feel more comfortable here. After all, many Canadians end up here when they have serious medical issues that require immediate attention anyway.

Posted by: Joe N. at November 4, 2004 12:32 PM

Bear in mind that by present day standards, Bush's win was virtually a landslide! The conventional wisdom of lefty mass-turnout has proved to be a myth, in spite of the efforts of the entertainment industry, the media, and educators attempting to manipulate our decisionmaking.

Even many of the exit polls were selectively taken to try to steer events on election day - i.e. Zogby made a point of polling as few men as possible, thus trying to tend their data toward Kerry. This proved to be inadequate, since their notion of who women would vote for was wrong anyway. It showed both bigotry and inadequate intellectual rigeur.

Posted by: Joe N. at November 4, 2004 12:38 PM

It would be nice to see the MSM take responsibility for their bias and their Rather-esque methods in the wake of W's win. Like the loonier proponents of the Left, they convinced themselves that they were The Voice of America and, I'm hoping, will be chastised E-nough! by W's resounding win to start asking themselves where their dignity disappeared to.

The power-hungry America-hating moonbats who have been given way too much air-time and column space must be made to understand that they are not mainstream, even though the play they got in the media made them think that was the case.

As for the Hollywood / billionaire / rock singer types who abused their freedom of free speech to Bush-bash, they've learned a good lesson: you may be famous and/or rich, but that doesn't mean Americans will listen to your political advice.

Let's give Zell Miller an office in Washington and ask him to whip up a new political party to take the place of the one that calls itself the 'Democratic Party'. Condition number one for new members: You must love America.

Posted by: Valerie at November 4, 2004 01:07 PM

Val, your ESP is scaring me. I spent last evening wondering if it might be time for the Democrats - real Democrats, not the yapping schizoids - to form an offshoot party. The Michael Moore/Al Franken wing of the Democrat party won't leave it; perhaps it's time that the rest left instead.

Posted by: Doug at November 4, 2004 01:23 PM

"Condition number one for new members: You must love America."

You can't actually believe that, right? I'm a Democrat and I love America very much. Disliking the President is not equivalent to disliking America, as anyone who disliked Bill Clinton or Bush I or Jimmy Carter knows. An election campaign is not a disloyal act. We do love America, and three percent more than us love America in a different way, and they won. But it's absurd to pretend Democrats are disloyal-- and way too easy an argument. It's like Democrats pretending Republicans are stupid. It's easy and helps avoid the real issues. So okay: I love America and you're not stupid. Can we agree on that?

Posted by: jason at November 4, 2004 08:04 PM

Jason, go to democraticunderground.com and you will see why so many of us former Democrats are so disappointed. There is a HUGE difference between 'dislike' and all-out H-A-T-E. If you read some of my posts here, you will see that I am a former Democrat and that I readily admit not particularly appreciating past Democratic presidents as well as the current Republican one at one point in my life.

I may not have liked a particular president but I would never have cheered on a Michael Moore-ish attack on my president or my country the way your party did. He was at the convention...Yuck.

I may not have been happy with a former president's policies, but I would never have called him 'Hitler' the way your many of your party did. That's sickening, don't you think?

You are a Democrat and you dislike Bush, fine. But do you agree with the hate-filled commentary at DU? Do you agree that 'kill Bush' and 'Bush must go' are planks for an honorable political platform? Do you believe that Rather's (and other mainstream media's) plotting to 'get Bush' at any price, which the Democrats embraced totally, is how your party's politics should be run? Have you seen some of the MoveOn ads that the Democrats never batted an eye at?

What exactly was John Kerry's 'plan', Jason? We never heard it. I never heard it. If a Republican candidate had presented himself for president the way he did, that Republican would have been eaten alive by the media as they pounded him for answers, clarity, numbers... Did Kerry ever have to answer to the media? Ever?

No, and his campaign was the lesser for it. If the media hadn't been complacent with him, he might have eventually come up with a real plan and he might have actually convinced voters that he could do better than W. The pro-Kerry 'kill Bush' mindset in the media let YOU down as well as their own favorite son. All he did was rant against Bush. That's no platform.

If you know people who walk around bashing America all the time, tell them this for me: You don't like something, then vote for someone who can help you change it or go out there and try to do it yourself. Tell them to stop directing their dissatisfaction at America herself. And to stop blaming a president who has only been in office for 4 years for all the world's ills.

Out here in the real world, outside the USA, there are enemies who feed on everything American America-bashers say. They use it as proof that America is a horrible place that must be destroyed. I KID YOU NOT. Anti-Americanism is dangerous. You can love your country and admit her faults. Hating your country while blaming her president for her faults is not patriotic, it's idiotic.

Jason, go to your Democratic local headquarters and tell them that they need to present someone for president next time who loves America but thinks maybe he/she can make it better. That's why W won again. He loves America. And it shows. Kerry was not a good choice. His anti-Americanism (making up lies about your fellow soldiers is not patriotic, btw) went too far back and his record was shallow, to say the least.

Btw, I knew a Jason back in the old days in Austin, Texas. Wouldn't it be crazy if we knew each other?

And thank you for being so civil in your disagreement. We appreciate that greatly here at E-nough!

Posted by: Valerie at November 4, 2004 10:43 PM

Jason, some photos of people i would prefer never to be associated with.

http://www.zombietime.com/sf_rally_november_3_2004/

See the 'Bush=Satan' sign?

Posted by: Valerie at November 4, 2004 10:47 PM

You can't actually believe that, right? I'm a Democrat and I love America very much. Disliking the President is not equivalent to disliking America, as anyone who disliked Bill Clinton or Bush I or Jimmy Carter knows.

Jason, I've been a registered Democrat since I was old enough to vote, and voted Gore in 2000 (though I'm glad in retrospect that he lost, and I'd be registered independant now if I weren't too lazy to change it). I know there are still plenty of rational Democrats, which is my point: they need to disassociate themselves from the Al Franken/Ted Kennedy/Al Gore wing of the party. The party itself is becoming psychotic with the anger, fear, hatred, and self-loathing of one populist segment. Hatred and calumny is not a platform.

And perhaps Valerie's assertion that anti-Americanism is dangerous sounds a bit silly to you. I'd urge you to toss over a question in your mind until you're sure that you have a satisfactory answer - What makes an event like Kristallnacht possible in a society of nominally decent people?

Answering that one might require first answering this one - What is the nature of populism?

Posted by: Doug at November 5, 2004 09:40 PM

Jason

Sorry for gang tackling you guy. I use to be a Democrat. I voted for Mondale. Being Democrat is like being a Cubs fan. The bleachers are too full of dipshits willing to interfer with their own guy when he is reaching into the stands for a foul ball.

Unlike Doug and Val, I switched. I looked into the issues that I care about. I wondered why we were forced to sell Grandma's house after she died (death Tax). I wondered why my history teachers taught me that Nazism was the extreem to the Republican party as Communism was the extreem to the Democratic party, when Nazi is the hyphenated form of Socialist Workers party. I wondered why newspaper columnists called the Republican party the party of slave holders, when it was Lincoln who put American blood on the line to end slavery.
I wondered who was the first Democrat president and I looked at his deeds. Andrew Jackson You know why Andrew Jackson is on the twenty dollar bill but not on Mount Rushmore? Look up Free Banking Era - 35 years when the USA didn't make currency, transaction was left up to barter. Andy sent us back to the prehistoric days economicly.
Look up trail of tears. An excerpt:

Hollywood has left the impression that the great Indian wars came in the Old West during the late 1800's, a period that many think of simplistically as the "cowboy and Indian" days. But in fact that was a "mopping up" effort. By that time the Indians were nearly finished, their subjugation complete, their numbers decimated. The killing, enslavement, and land theft had begun with the arrival of the Europeans. But it may have reached its nadir when it became federal policy under President (Andrew) Jackson.

That guy was just the first of the so called populist presidents. If only all the subsequent Democrats didn't try to emulate him, maybe I could support a Democrat for President.
I don't have to do mental gymnastics to find a reason to support the GOP.

Posted by: papertiger at November 6, 2004 10:27 AM