Excuse the unrelated question, but do you have any/many French readers? Just curious.

I know we have some. To say how many, I can't really tell you.

If the question is related to the French version of the interview, well, I put it there if anyone wanted to check with the original. I'm afraid I have invented nothing.

It's only related in the sense I'd never thought of the question before - I think this is the first time I've noticed anything non-english on the site, which is what made me wonder about French readers.

Where did you find that delightful Comanche Patriot? His view of Thanksgiving made my day.
With people such as he on our side, who can stand against us?

Papertiger,
Dr. David Yeagley is a wonderful patriot. I have been reading his blog for some time. That I have failed to tell you of him, than me bad, me very, very, bad!

"United Statsian"? Sounds as stupid as the guy who came up with it. What an ass.

The French are pútains! LOL

There. I can now do stand-up material. ;-)

Papertiger,

I have to thank Valerie from Texas for letting me know of Dr. David Yeagley.

Carine, you can pass along to M. Royer that we, the 51% of Americans who put W. back in office, are already doing the business of "saving" America by encouraging Americans with views aligned with his to emigrate to Canada -- Quebec in particular. Perhaps M. Royer can find employment for all of them. I'm sure the Canadian government won't mind if l'AA is published in Montreal.

As for M. Royer's idea of "saving" America, tell him he'd better be more concerned with saving himself from his progeny, who will probably speak Arabic and kill him for being an infidel.

Mark Steyn has an essay in the telegraph which touches on quite a few of the topics of Enough!'s recent posts, while squishing L'Anti-américain.

I wonder what my eighth grade English teacher would say if she were to see how I use her labors?

Hi, I'm french
I'm truly sorry about this newspaper. It's really not in our habits.

But I must say that's nothing compare of what some people in the USA are saying about us (I read a little bit of Little Green football from time to time or fuckfrance.com...).

"United Statsian" : it's not a bad word, nor a mean one. It's just a technical word to explain that the author is talking about inhabitants of the USA. How come, we have to call, americans, guys, when you're not canadian, nor mexican or south american ??
We're just trying to have a way to express this idea but, I assure you, it's not that popular in France.

And I would like to conclude that we have to agree to disagree. But we can be friends. That's the point : friendship mean talking and not just following. At least, in the french point of view...

Jerome,

I'm French too.

I'm truly sorry about this newspaper. It's really not in our habits.

Oh really?! See the links about books on anti-Americanism in France in my previous post?

But I must say that's nothing compare of what some people in the USA are saying about us (I read a little bit of Little Green football from time to time or fuckfrance.com...).

In reaction to... Excuse me Jerome but, we're talking paper publications here. How many "The Francophobe" have been published in the U.S.A.?

"United Statsian" : it's not a bad word, nor a mean one. It's just a technical word to explain that the author is talking about inhabitants of the USA.

Comme un bon petit Français que vous êtes, bien évidemment, vous venez apprendre aux Américains comment on doit appeler les habitants de leur propre pays.

We're just trying to have a way to express this idea but, I assure you, it's not that popular in France.

It's becoming more and more. Oh, and it's the word used by the very far-left, anti-American Le Monde Diplomatique.

That's the point : friendship mean talking and not just following. At least, in the french point of view...

You mean stabbing you in the back... like trying to buy African states to block you at the UN? That's what you mean by "agree to disagree"?

For a french, you seem to know a lot about stabbing in the back !

But you should know that "etatsunien" is just a technical word. You can't argue that. It's vocabulary. IT IS NOT BAD AT ALL.

Ok inhabitants of the US want to call themselves americans. Fine.
But when you're talking in french, you need to make a distinction.
What do you think the other people of America feel about that ??? I talked with a mexican once, and he was pretty upset about it, I can tell you...

Nothing mean here, really. I don't understand your reaction, here... Especially since you're french. You should know you're own langage. You can't use this to attack french leftistes. There are other things to use here, besides that.

L'AA is really a piece of shit.
That's something we can agree on both of us ;-)
It's just a pueril try to make some easy money. And it's just a monthly thing, two months old. Nothing to do with books like "Our Oldest Ennemy" for instance, which pretends to be accurate in an historical point of view.

But I don't want to compare. It's just plain stupid. We have to do better, both.

Not every french agree with Chirac and not EVERY american agree with Bush (who got reelected with the less votes ever for a reelected president, by the way).
As people, every american I've talking to, I always have seen this little expression in their eyes when I say that I'm french. Like they think France is paradise on earth (we know both, it's not).
The same with french, a lot of us would like to live in the US.

Do you think that US never went against french interest ?? It's just politics and diplomacy. Nothing more.
But, that's true, with limited idea, like "you're with us or you are against us", it's difficult to understand the whole planet ;-)

Hello Carine, hello everybody,

I am French too.

Anti american books are not that popular in France, really (I actually never read one, and was aware of none of the books you talk about). On the other hand, american movie stars and politicians' biography , or even photographies (I mean about NYC or the Grand Canyon for example) usually have a fair success or are favourites for Christmas presents. France is a lot more fascinated than repelled by the US.

You're right to be upset about newspapers like the AAp (to be honest, I kinda hoped it was some 4th degree humour too, but given the sensing I have on the web, it does not really look like it...), but it is one newspaper, that in fact did not sell too well (7400 out of 20,000 doesn't sound too good to me...).
On top of that, it is a very special team of so-called journalists that mix a look alike of information with (generally basic - as in unrefined and lazy) humour to make a few bucks - l'Éxamineur being a good example of a bad newspaper.
I would not get carried away with it : you always find people to produce trash and sell it to morons.
As Jérôme puts it, it is nothing at all compared to the French-bashing wave.

About French-bashing, I find you a bit cheeky, as you want to consider only paper publications. I think it has more to do with expressing an opinion, and a blog is a perfect place to do that. Also, consider that the blog phenomena is a lot less developped in France, so opinions still go through paper mostly. That is why you don't find a "Francophobe" newspaper, but you certainly find a lot of francophobe websites in the US.

About the "United Statian" thing. We do not want to teach americans how they should call themselves, but in french, America is a continent, not a country, as you well know.
In day to day conversation, when we say "an american", we usually don't talk about a guy from Chile or Argentina, but in formal and serious publications, if you say an American, it literally means "some guy coming from the american continent".
It is exactly as if you said a European to talk about the French... or the German, or the English, or the Belgium, or the Spanish - you get the picture.
"United Statian" is not leftist, is not disminishing : it is just a bit more formal a name, that you usually only use in essays and History books.
I could also say that you should not feel you can tell us what word we should or should not use in our language - we don't do that to you.

I must say I was a bit disappointed by your answer to Jérôme, that I find a bit agressive.
I don't have the feeling we stabbed you - the americans - in the back.
I have the feeling you paid no attention to our opinion. The least we could do was not back you up for something we disagree with.
I do think the current climate is due to misunderstanding - you feel betrayed, we feel despised, and that once this is understood, there is no reason we should go on ill-thinking of each other.
I live in Oxford-UK, and have 2 friends that happen to be american. Sometimes we disagree, and yet, we're still friends.

Cheers,
Christophe.

Jerome,

For a french, you seem to know a lot about stabbing in the back !

My mistake. I was born French, I own a French passport but I don't feel French.

But you should know that "etatsunien" is just a technical word. You can't argue that. It's vocabulary. IT IS NOT BAD AT ALL.

It is except that it was created as a reaction similar to yours: you refuse to call Americans, inhabitants of the United States, Americans. What's bothering you is that one single country is referred to as the whole continent it is a part of. But there is a reason to that. I'll let you try to find out by yourself. You can if you try.
Also, try to find the word there. Vocabulary you said?

But when you're talking in french, you need to make a distinction.

I don't need to. You do.

What do you think the other people of America feel about that ??? I talked with a mexican once, and he was pretty upset about it, I can tell you...

Yeah, I talked with un Antillais and he was pretty pissed off that people would call him French. Oh but wait! It's different! France just couldn't let go of her colonies.

Nothing mean here, really. I don't understand your reaction, here...

Read the AAp and you'll understand. Even your reaction shows envy.

Especially since you're french. You should know you're own langage.

Mais mon cher Jerome, je vous invite à vous exprimer sur quelques lignes en français, puisque vous prétendez être Français, que l'on puisse voir comment vous connaissez vous-même votre langue, au lieu de continuer à donner des leçons aux autres.

You can't use this to attack french leftistes.

Except when it's meant as an attack. And I'm not talking leftists, I'm talking far-left, Castro & Co.

And it's just a monthly thing, two months old. Nothing to do with books like "Our Oldest Ennemy" for instance, which pretends to be accurate in an historical point of view.

I'm telling you for the last time.

(who got reelected with the less votes ever for a reelected president, by the way).

Excuse me? It's a mental disease...

As people, every american I've talking to, I always have seen this little expression in their eyes when I say that I'm french. Like they think France is paradise on earth (we know both, it's not).

You live in a blue state, right?

But, that's true, with limited idea, like "you're with us or you are against us", it's difficult to understand the whole planet ;-)

Some people you don't understand Jerome. I'm never gonna try to understand a Bin Laden or a Saddam or a Castro or a Assad. They're simply against us. You should try to get that into your head before it's too late. I'm afraid it is already too late for your little socialist paradise called France.

Christophe,

Anti american books are not that popular in France, really (I actually never read one, and was aware of none of the books you talk about)

The books I wrote about are about anti-Americanism in France. You haven't heard of them because they benefit from little advertizing. On the other end, I suggest you go check, for example Gibert Joseph American Politics department, to see the quantity of hateful books published against the United States.

On the other hand, american movie stars and politicians' biography , or even photographies (I mean about NYC or the Grand Canyon for example) usually have a fair success or are favourites for Christmas presents. France is a lot more fascinated than repelled by the US.

Like this maybe?

it is one newspaper, that in fact did not sell too well (7400 out of 20,000 doesn't sound too good to me...).

Please take into account the fact that there has been NO ad or publicity, just word of mouth.

I would not get carried away with it : you always find people to produce trash and sell it to morons.

So? Is it a reason to say nothing?

As Jérôme puts it, it is nothing at all compared to the French-bashing wave. About French-bashing, I find you a bit cheeky, as you want to consider only paper publications.

People, in France, will tend to put more trust in paper publications than the Internet.

I think it has more to do with expressing an opinion, and a blog is a perfect place to do that. Also, consider that the blog phenomena is a lot less developped in France, so opinions still go through paper mostly. That is why you don't find a "Francophobe" newspaper, but you certainly find a lot of francophobe websites in the US.

Less so than I have found offensive, insulting words against Americans on French websites, dedicated or not to bashing the US.

In day to day conversation, when we say "an american", we usually don't talk about a guy from Chile or Argentina, but in formal and serious publications, if you say an American, it literally means "some guy coming from the american continent".

I don't agree. The word is relatively new. It was only used so far by most simple-minded anti-Americans. Also, you too can try to find the word there.

"United Statian" is not leftist, is not disminishing : it is just a bit more formal a name, that you usually only use in essays and History books.

You know it's not. And I didn't say it was "leftist" I said it was used by far-leftists, that should give you a hint on why it is used.

I could also say that you should not feel you can tell us what word we should or should not use in our language - we don't do that to you.

And what have you just done? In addition, you're not in your home here, my rules in my house are to be respected. That's what we call private property, you know? You're not to tell me what I should do here, but I do as I please. If it's not okay with you, you are welcome to leave.
If you can't get that, that's your problem, not mine.

I don't have the feeling we stabbed you - the americans - in the back.

First, I'm French, unfortunately. Although I'll be an American citizen one day. Secondly, what are you calling trying to bribe states to block a so-called "friend and ally" at the UN?

I have the feeling you paid no attention to our opinion.

I paid too much attention by now I think. I answered, isn't that time spent on your opinion? And pretty please don't start whining...

you feel betrayed, we feel despised,

Poor little thing that feels despised.... Learning the hard way what it is to stab America in the back? Here's a kleenex.
Again, I don't "feel betrayed" myself. As far as I'm concerned, I feel my so-called fellow citizens have betrayed American citizens.

and that once this is understood, there is no reason we should go on ill-thinking of each other.

Right, now America should forgive and forget. The bribing, the dictator-supporting, the hateful attitude. Everything.

Sometimes we disagree, and yet, we're still friends.

But I assume the lives of millions of people do not depend on your relationship or on you bribing your neighbor to prevent your two American friends from defending themselves and the world at the same time (whether you like it or not).

Carine, yes I live in a blue state.
In a university, where people are learning.
Those people voted 75% blue.
Does that mean something ? I don't know.
What the point ?
Do those people doesn't deserve the right to be called americans because they didn't vote red ?
You must be kidding, right ?
They are all entitled to be called american. The USA are not all red, just 51% as far as I know.
I hope that's not how you define democratie.
And in the other hand, I do not hope that you're pretending to represent all the people who voted red neither.
I mean, come on... You're dellusionnal.

It's really silly to attack me about my french... one other that I dont' get. What's the point ?!

And yes, Bush is the re-elected president with the thinest margin ever. You can't change that. It's a fact.

I just can't get why you keep your french passport. Throw it out and ask USA to welcome you.
Because, I don't know what you can vote here, I mean, even our right is at the left of the democrats. So... That must be difficult for you.

And maybe, you didn't understand me that well, but I said, AA is a piece of SHIT. Understood ?
Nothing to do with me or with french people, but something you don't seem to know about.
Read all the blogs from americans living in France, please. They are all charmed by our country.

Reading all those web sites and blogs full of hatred toward France, make me feel like, in the end, as french, we should be right.
If we were so wrong, not that much of people would bother to lose so much time to write about us. Instead they just should write about how great America (oups, USA, sorry...) is.

Talking about "colonies", do you want me to start with these poor guys called "native-americans" ?? What happened to them ? Come on... Each country did bad things in the past, we're all aware of that (at least when we know history).

So there's nothing worthy to keep looking for bad things everywhere, instead we should concentrate to find a way to get closer (american and french) because we all deserve it and want it.
It's in our history. To know each other better.
At least, that's what I'm trying to do.

But you're right. It's your place.
Sorry for bothering you.
Just trying to understand, here.
As every person on earth should do...

I really sympathize with your plight, Carine. Save for the poor suffering people in Sudan, Iraq, Iran, North Korea...it must be torture to be one of the few individual who "get it" in the pútain nation we call France.

They're such pútains that they won't hesitate to take payments in exchange for not informing about any new terrorist strike against the U.S.. In fact, they may be involved in a way in the next one. We'll see, once it's been discovered there will be French governmental hands involved.

I can't imagine being a pútain. It's inconceivable even doing such a job. Some do so willingly. Others are forced into it. But the French elitist bastards are masters at it!

Feel free to email me. I would like to talk one-on-one with you. :)

Jérôme,

You have either a problem reading, or understanding... or both.

yes I live in a blue state.
In a university, where people are learning.
Those people voted 75% blue.

No no no, those people are not learning, those people are misinformed, that's different.

What the point ?
Do those people doesn't deserve the right to be called americans because they didn't vote red ?
You must be kidding, right ?

Oh... so now Democrats are Americans? I see.
But I never EVER said that. I am not the one insulting other voters here. I talked about blue states in reference to your remark about Americans supposedly having a twinkling in their eyes when you say France because they supposedly think it's a paradise. And I was right, how surprising is that?

They are all entitled to be called american.

Aren't they? You mean United Statian right? Or are Democrats more American than Republicans? Just wondering.

The USA are not all red, just 51% as far as I know.

Indeed.

I hope that's not how you define democratie.

I hope it's not how you define Democracy.

And in the other hand, I do not hope that you're pretending to represent all the people who voted red neither.

As far as I'm concerned, I never pretended to represent anyone but myself. And I'm not American, btw.

It's really silly to attack me about my french... one other that I dont' get. What's the point ?!

Hey, I'm not the one trolling around lecturing people about how they should talk and write. Why don't you want to write in French? You're lecturing me about how I "should know my own language", just show me how you know your own language yourself. I'm not attacking anyone.

And yes, Bush is the re-elected president with the thinest margin ever. You can't change that. It's a fact.

Indeed, he's not the crook that has been re-elected like the dictator he'd like to be, with 82% of the votes.

I just can't get why you keep your french passport. Throw it out and ask USA to welcome you.

Huh... because I'm French. But don't worry, I'm working on that.

Because, I don't know what you can vote here, I mean, even our right is at the left of the democrats. So... That must be difficult for you.

We can certainly agree on that.

And maybe, you didn't understand me that well, but I said, AA is a piece of SHIT. Understood ?

Easy little boy, don't talk to me like that while trying to appease me at the same time. I'm not the one not understanding others here. I got that.

Read all the blogs from americans living in France, please. They are all charmed by our country.

Open up your mind "just" a little bit little boy. First, it's a fact, most Americans living in France are Democrats. Secondly, I suggest you try Merde in France, No Pasaran, and read my co-blogger Valerie's posts. All Americans. All living in France.

Reading all those web sites and blogs full of hatred toward France, make me feel like, in the end, as french, we should be right.

Sure, that's because you don't hear the hatred on a day-to-day basis in France. Have you ever been checking the books I told you about? That is if you can read French.

If we were so wrong, not that much of people would bother to lose so much time to write about us. Instead they just should write about how great America (oups, USA, sorry...) is.

L'un n'empêche pas l'autre, mon jeune garçon.

Talking about "colonies", do you want me to start with these poor guys called "native-americans" ?? What happened to them ? Come on...

No thank, I specialized in American studies. And by the way, you were the one saying how not fair it was that inhabitants of the United States be called Americans.

I know my history. Btw, were the first pilgrims United Statians?

Each country did bad things in the past, we're all aware of that (at least when we know history).

Yeah, we're in 2005 and France is still shooting in the crowd in former colony Ivory Coast.

It's in our history. To know each other better.
At least, that's what I'm trying to do.

Then I suggest you read Revel's and Roger's books, and you'll get a taste why Americans are so pissed off. That is if you're intellectually honest... and able.

Just trying to understand, here.
As every person on earth should do...

Then again...

All this bullshits about Americans who should be called "USians" just makes me a little more sick about my country (Weaselistan) of mentally ill people.
You little lecturers (Jérôme & Christophe) want to rename Americans (with a capital A to point we talk about a nationality) to "United Statians", because their country is named the United States of America.
Will you call the citizens of the Federal Republic of Germany the "Federal Repulikians"?
Will you call the citizens of the People's Republic of China the "People's Repulikans"?
Will you call the citizens of the United Kingdom the "United Kingdomians"?

And what about South Africans? Are they the only inhabitants of the south of the African continent?

You're pathetic. You are little anti-American pieces of ideologists' droppings like quite all my "fellow" citizens. Period.

Hi Carine,

I thought this was a blog where we could have a conversation and exchange a reasonnable point of view, since you actually took the pain to interview this Frédéric something before making your point.

Apparently, I was wrong, and you seem to be just another one of these hysterical and unreasonnable hate mongers with whom it is not possible to argue with.
You seem to favour the "agree with me or leave my house" attitude, rather than welcome a healthy debate, and I think it's a shame, since you can improve only by having your opinion challenged.

In fact, looking closely at your posts, it appears that you are the one being intolerant and patronizing - calling Jérôme a little boy won't help you make a clever point. As always, appealing or recoursing to contempt is always more easy than constructing a logical argumentation - I might add that pasting somebody's post and slicing it up to insert pointless and endless argumentations about details rather than debating and proposing new refexions and ideas is going for the easy way too.

To answer one of your question, Jérôme and I spoke english, which is not our native langage and in which we have more difficulty expressing ourselves, just out of respect for you : you chose to have a blog in english, so we adapt and communicate in the langage you chose.
But then, respect seems to be a concept you're not very familiar with.

Lastly, dear Pro_freedom, you have to take the accent out of your pútain if you want it to be a french word. Calling the french pútains is a bit as if I was calling you a bîtch - not only inappropriate, incorrect ortography wise too.

That would be my last contribution to this blog, as I am sure I could get exactly the same results with going on posting than by talking to a door.
One last advice, though : go easy on the political and intellectual masturbation. It is very satisfying to always be told you're right, but you end up not being able to form coherent ideas.

Cheers,
ChL.

Aloha

I am an American. Jérôme & Christophe, you have run into some of our hardliners (we love them, but their zeal might be a bit much for the un -initiated).
I am a moderate. I believe France and the Peoples Republicans who populate it are salvageable.
Once you cease your illegal occupation of the Ivory Coast, pay restitution to the surviving family members of the many murder victims your occupation caused there, sell off their state infrastructure at fair market value (minus 180 years of illegal price gouging){better yet just leave and we will call it square}[that would be a bargain because 180 years of exploitation can be very expensive], withdraw support from the Hutu of Rowanda, pay restitution to the Tutsi surviving family members, withdraw support from the Dictator of Togo, pay restitution to the family members of his victims, Withdraw and return soverignty to Guiana, paying fair market value and rent for your euro spaceport located there. Any other colonial interests of the Peoples Republican's former empire , which you are still exploiting will be returned to the indigenous people with the proper restitutions. (Your countrymen have their hands on so many other peoples pies it is hard to keep track, so forgive me if I left out some)

When you do these things, we Americans will be happy to shake your hand in friendship. When you do these things we will call it about square. Then we will have a drink of Chardonnay.

Deal?

About "étatsunien", "états-union" or "étasunien", stop being mad at us.
We are just explaining that it is a technical french word : you can find it in dictionnaries like "Le Petit Larousse, grand format, édition 2005" or "Le Petit Robert de la langue francaise".
Nothing to do with me or Christophe, we didn't make it up, guys ;-)

And you can find more here : wikipedia (fr).

It's really disturbing to try having a conversation here and end up being insulted.

And also, as Christophe said, my apologies for my bad english, I'm still working on it. It's not easy to express in a right way, ideas in a foreign language.

I'm not anti-american. I'll never be.
Like I'm not anti-whatever people. We are all on the same planet and we have to live all together.

And if by talking and expressing myself in a different way than yours is
being anti-american, I'm sorry for you...
As you read, I didn't call you anti-french because of that... Even if the way you're talking indicate that you're not french at all.
And if everybody on this planet who is not republican, is your enemy, man, you have a lot of work ahead of you (and wars maybe...) !
And one more time : this is not what democraty is about. It's about multiple points of view.

And, Carine, about what you said on university, I guess, you must be kidding, right ?
"misinformed" ?
Ok, gotcha...
And nobody here can say to her how much she's being dishonest ? Come on...

I wonder if Jerome has ever given consideration to the thought that the anti-Frech websites that appear on the web are a reaction to the easy availablity of the mainstream French media in the US these days. No major, or even second rank, newspaper in the US would print anything against France like the anti-US cartoons that regularly appear in Le Monde.

What these web sites do is shine a light on what has been going on in France for decades. I would agree that before Americans had easy access to the French press, our regard for you nation was much higher.

And as for 'United Statian', which is an ugly term clearly intended to demean, why not the time-honored "US Citizen", which makes the point you refer to, and has the added bonus of causing no offense.

Why not, brb ?
If you find "étatsunien" offensive, my apologies.
I was just trying to explain that every people using this word don't want to be mean toward US.
I agree (after a google search) that it seems to be used mostly by leftistes and far-leftistes.

And about the humoristic drawings in LeMonde, since you read it, you should be aware that they have the same ones toward our own gouvernment !!!

It's not just about USA. It's a cultural thing : we like (enjoy ?), as French, to criticize everything related to power...or not. Actually, we like to debate, it's an art for us, that's why I enjoy debating here.

And we, French, are really afraid when someone, an human being like us, says things like "I made no mystake, ever". It's just plain wrong and call for critics and jokes.
But the same with Chirac who is a liar an a criminal (at least, in my point of view).

We just learn to get a critic-mind (?) at school, you know.
So we know that France and even USA (I assure you) did and do really bad things. Because human don't know how to handle power. That's a flaw in our design, I guess.

By the way, thanks, brb, for not insulting me. It's the first time. I was beginning to be desperate...

Belay that last comment. The causing of offense is apparently the only justification for coining a new term when a servicable equivalent exists. It's either malice or ignorance, and we know the French can never be ignorant.

Somehow I find the claim to a national attribute of critical thinking suspect where a man, whose criminality is common knowledge, got re-elected with 82% of the vote. It smells much more like groupthink to me, with a press composed of mindguards.

Oh ... And buy Greenpeace a new ship, so they can frolic with the whales again.

Forgot that one

It's not fair, brb.
We didn't have a real choice. It was my most difficult day as a citizen when I had to vote for him (and I'm a french leftiste !!).
But I had to.
and those 82% are something we are proud : it was not about saying yes to Chirac, it was about saying NO to the other guy.

We couldn't let Mr. Lepen get through (Chirac's opponent).
It's about what is right and what is not.
But you always have to respect the institutions.
Chirac is a cleaver politician who was able to go with it. But history will be here for him.
We are patient people, you know.

If you read LeMonde you should also know how critics they are toward him (but, ok, not on the Irak matter).

About vocabulary, we're just trying to be the most accurate possible. When you need an adjective to say : "it's an american guy", it's not accurate, too large for us. For US citizen talking about US Citizen that's fine because you are in context. But not for people outside America.
So if you say "he's unitedstatien", you know he's from America AND the USA. That's all. Not that much for debate, here ;-)
It's just a (french) way to deal with a vocabulary accurancy. And it's not that very popular (but I've already said so) and it seems to come from Quebec in fact (cf Wikipedia).

A) Wikipedia is run mostly by commited leftists when it comes to any controversial subject and has no dispositive standing.

B) There was already a word for "United Statian", "US Citizen" which for some reason the French find unacceptable. it is probably the ideas of liberty and responsibility that the word "Citizen" connotes that leaves such a foul taste in your mouth. Better it were something like "US Subjects".

To be honest though, I am not really offended. It is just one among many reasons to write off 'French thought' on any subject. You stick to your puerile terms. Notice that you lose power and prestige in the world with each passing pronouncement of your 'intellectual' classes, but blame it on us.

Oh, btw, do you still believe that Chirac's position of "no... Never!" on removing Saddam from power was correct and without possible controversy?

Would the world be a better place with Saddam in power? The answer is not "Saddam was a bad guy", it is a yes or no question. When you answer yes or no, then feel free to defend your position.

Christophe,

That would be my last contribution to this blog, as I am sure I could get exactly the same results with going on posting than by talking to a door.

Well, at least you'll find in the door a companion that won't rebuke you. Going the easy way, huh?

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Jérôme,

Wikepedia? Are you kidding me? Is that what you call learning??

Did you even find the word in the Dictionnaire de l'Académie française. Of course you won't bother answer that.

Even if the way you're talking indicate that you're not french at all.

Just because I criticize France means I'm not French?!? Non, mais sans blague ? Vous croyez vraiment que je ne suis pas française ?? Bravo l'ouverture d'esprit Jérôme, c'est encore pire que ce que je croyais.

And if everybody on this planet who is not republican, is your enemy, man, you have a lot of work ahead of you (and wars maybe...) !

And you have to learn how to read and listen and stop interpreting what people are saying.

And, Carine, about what you said on university, I guess, you must be kidding, right ?
"misinformed" ?
Ok, gotcha...

Not "right", Jérôme ;) Leftist misinformation. It's a fact, baby boy, most universities, whether in the United States or France are left-leaning if not far-left-leaning. But of course, to you, marxist propaganda must mean the truth.

And nobody here can say to her how much she's being dishonest ? Come on...

Geez, grow up! How old are you Jérôme, seriously. Try this site and this one for an idea of what I'm talking about. All I ask for is fairness in teaching, not left- or right-leaning.

But how many chances you'll go check my links? You say you have no right to a "debate". I told you about French books on anti-Americanism, while you were claiming there was no real anti-Americanism in France. Did you answer? No. That's all about you debating and having a different point of view, isn't it?

It's not fair, brb.
We didn't have a real choice. It was my most difficult day as a citizen when I had to vote for him (and I'm a french leftiste !!).

You didn't have a choice?? Did the 20% who voted Le Pen and the more than 20% who voted far-left didn't have a choice in the first round? 40% of French voters voting at the extreme. Please...

But I had to.
and those 82% are something we are proud : it was not about saying yes to Chirac, it was about saying NO to the other guy.

Democracy.

It's about what is right and what is not.

Beware, you're very close to getting to the idea of "either with us or against us".

It's not fair, brb.
Yes it is: in Weaselistan elections take place in 2 steps. The first turn leaded to national socialist Le Pen vs old school socialist Shiraq. And on the second turn you voted for Shiraq, didn't you? What's not fair?

We didn't have a real choice.
I agree: for me it's hard to chose between a hardcode corrupted socialist and a conservative corrupted socialist. BTW, those two comrades are really significant about French politics: for over 40 years those two comrades are living with our taxes... 40 years! Can you just tell me of only ONE American politician who would have lasted so long living on American taxpayers' back?

It was my most difficult day as a citizen...
And the rest of the time, it's a day as a what? Another French strange conception of life...

... when I had to vote for him ...
You should have voted 10 days before maybe

... (and I'm a french leftiste !!).
No kidding? Any word you say is so clever, clear, enlightening... Nothing compares with a "Republicanazi" like Carine!

But I had to. and those 82% are something we are proud
We can be proud of our Banana Republic, we the "Banana Repulikians"... Ho great leader of my cantry Jahq Shiraq! Glory to ya masta! I hail to my masta!

: it was not about saying yes to Chirac, it was about saying NO to the other guy.
Basically, what is the difference??? I mean, the result in the real world?!

We couldn't let Mr. Lepen get through (Chirac's opponent).
No you couldn't... As our parents and grandparents couldn't let our country become what it is now: a huge stack of threaded craps.

It's about what is right and what is not.
Ohhhh I see! You... sorry, We, the Banana Republikians, know where is the right and where is the bad. Taking a look back on our history and on our present situtation is just that relevant.

But you always have to respect the institutions.
Like yer Masta does, doesn't he?

Chirac is a cleaver politician who was able to go with it.
Hint: Dear American folks, this is a very 'French touch' definition for the word 'clever'!

But history will be here for him.
And for our country too.

We are patient people, you know.
Yes, patient as the the grave we're lying deep into.

If you read LeMonde you should also know how critics they are toward him (but, ok, not on the Irak matter).
You mean 'awful ultra-libéral' stuff?

About vocabulary, we're just trying to be the most accurate possible.
Yes, sure, you are accurate: you can decree how an American citizen is to be called. BTW, may I suggest you learn a little bit more English before trying to be accurate at naming an English-speaking whole people?

When you need an adjective to say : "it's an american guy", it's not accurate, too large for us.
And what about "corrupted" to define yer Masta? Is it accurate enough? And what about "cheese eating surrender monkey" for you?

For US citizen talking about US Citizen that's fine because you are in context. But not for people outside America.
LOL! That's probably the most ridiculous and love-to-be-out-of-purpose bullshit I ever heard!
"Me thinks Chileans should be renamed South Andeans, 'cos Chili's big a red vegetable cooked in a red sauce with big farting beans, not a country: I live outside Chile and I fart as well..."

So if you say "he's unitedstatien", you know he's from America AND the USA.
Because actually when I talk with my American friends I don't know they are Americans? And the USA are not in America? Doesn't the "A" in the end of USA stands for America?

That's all. Not that much for debate, here ;-)
We don't debate: you lecture Americans, they laugh at you, I understand them.

It's just a (french) way to deal with a vocabulary accurancy.
Yep, and French got a so tough reputation of vocabulary accura(n)cy: cé vré skeu tu di, yaka lir lé blog et lé forome frankofone, cé sur - sorry of non Weasel-speaking persons

And it's not that very popular (but I've already said so) and it seems to come from Quebec in fact
Oh really? Take Google France Acualités, you even don't have to count, it's written on it:
- étatsunien: 8, étatsuniens: 7
- états-unien: 41, états-uniens: 61
- étasunien: 23, étasuniens: 17
157 times only for today!!!

(cf Wikipedia).
AH-AH-AH!!! Wikipedia: as Carine says, THE trolls' reference! I think "WIKI" stands for Wanking Ideologist Komrades of Irrelevance...
A so-called """"encyclopaedia"""" whose French article on communism doesn't write neither "death" nor "gulag", nor "totalitarian", nor "dictator"...
Finally I get a little condescending as you use to be: come on...

I reject the notion that LePen was such an unacceptable alternative. We have had successful leftist Presidents , who were good for our country, and good for freedom. Tony Blair is standing tall -from the left side of the aisle in the UK.

Basicly I am a conservative Republican but if my choice were between a corrupt GOPer and an honest liberal, I would choose the honest man everytime.

Choosing the crook says more about your character then it does about Pr. Chirac. Choosing him by 82% marrs the character of your whole country.
We on this side of the world see only suspects.

I love to read what I call O'Reilly blogs, their message of love and concern for the outside (ie commie) world, their profound respect for knowledge and universities (commies), their healthy passion for debate ("Shut up, little boy, you commie, SHUT UP!"), and their deep understanding of the world ("you're with us or you're a commie"). It's almost refreshing from time to time. Like a travel into another time, another dimension. Everybody should read them at least once to realize that they still exist (although they clearly must be protected or these rare species may disappear one day) :)

Guillermito,

That's the difference between us and "commies" - or French people for that matter, if not more than "commies": we don't need no protection, we proud ourselves on surviving by ourselves, not at the expense of others.

Papertiger,

Indeed, Le Pen is a leftist, but no, really, it wouldn't have been better than Jack.

hé ashamed-frenchman la honteuse, prends un vrai pseudo et ouvre un blog. tu me fais penser à ces étudiants américains débarqués en france qui débitent niaisement "pardonner-nous - ce n'est pas ma faute - je n'ai pas voté pour le méchant bush"

wow you guys are really going at it!

"Hey, I am a creamy puff, no?"
- Pepé Le Pew.

I don’t know what that means but I felt like Pepé needed to be heard in this conversation.
Ok you can go back to telling us why France matters. Where is France anyway?

Léo, you must be talking about Jérôme here, don't you? I never asked a Weasel for his excuses and never will.
I just don't give a damn about who won these elections, could it be Abu Weasel Al Shiraq or Michael Mooron's one-eyed Weasel alter ego. I - don't - care.
Why do you whine like that girly? Did you lose your Pink TV subscription? Need a man tonight?

blacksnail, I almost agree with you: France is actually something insignificant, and it's over. The point is what Carine reminded me several weeks ago: Weasels got nukes, it's quite a problem... I think the free world shall invade and free my "country" before we nuke someone! We got WMDs, and tough ones: we sold some to our great ally Saddam...

Canada = Canadians

Mexico - Mexicans

United States of America = Americans

Get it???

The United States of America is our legal name. If you don't believe it, check all Nation States and their legal names:

http://www.un.org/Overview/unmember.html

One refers to the inhabitants of a country by a suffix of that country's legal name.

Le Canada = Les Canadiens

Mexique - Mexicain

Les Etats-Unis d'Amérique = les Américains

Obtenez-le ? ? ? Les Etats-Unis d'Amérique sont notre nom légal. Si vous ne les croyez pas, vérifiez tous les états de nation et leurs noms légaux :

http://www.un.org/Overview/unmember.html

On se rapporte aux habitants d'un pays par un suffixe du nom légal de ce pays.

I met a French woman once and when she found out I was American, she said, 'I'm American, too'. I asked her how and she said her mother had been American, from Venezuala. I looked at her and said, 'Oh, so your mother was Venezuelan' and she looked at me like I was a little crazy.

North America is not America, folks. And neither is South America. And for your information, when you speak of both continents at the same time, you use the word 'AmericaS'.

I lived in Texas for too many years to count and I never met a Mexican who called himself an 'American' unless he had chosen to live in the USA for good. I've never met a Canadian who referred to themselves as American - on the contrary, they would hate it.

Odd that Europeans who refuse to let Americans call their language 'English' because they say we speak 'American' think that it's odd that we call ourselves American, isn't it.

Typical European mind-set. Typical French condescension.

Nothing ever changes here.

I had friends in the WTC that day. Every day since, I have struggled in the most earnest fashion to understand my own nation, this world, our "allies", and our enemies better. I have re-examined every thought I have ever thunk. I have soul-searched through every belief I ever believed. Americans have already taken a very long, hard look in the mirror.

Thankfully, the US has friends like France -- so brilliant, deep, skilled, intellectual and principled in the lost art of DIPLOMACY. If French diplomats are so skillful, why don't they ever get anything actually done? No problems solved. No disputes settled. No starving fed. No sick medicated.

After investing so much national energy and airfare, France could not convince Chiraq's good friend, Saddam, to comply with his cease-fire agreement. Did France really believe the "illegal" no-fly zones could be the only thing standing between the Kurds and Shia and more of Saddam's "native justice" forever?

France better bust out some of that bona-fide, world-class, famous "diplomacy" right now, or get ready to lick Kim Jong Il's and Iranian mullah balls alone. I'm afraid France is about to take long a hard ride on the clue bus.

Carine, you give me new hope for your country, and your countrymen. I knew there must be some hope.

One last thing, about "états-unien".
It seems to come from the spanish : "estadounidenses".
So, we didn't invent anything. It's just a way to describe something as coming from the USA.
But, suddenly, you get a lot more people to get mad at.
Because they use it a lot, I can tell you.
But I reassure you : it's not a conspiracy. It's just vocabulary.

Carine : how many french do you know who, when they are looking for a word, check it out in the "Dictionnaire de l'Académie Française" ? Seriously ?
As they say in their "a propos" page, it's a work in progress and they working on the new version sicne 1990 and it's not even finished.
No, when we are looking for a word we have a look in a common dictionnary, one you can buy in any librairy ou supermarket, like "Larousse" ou "Petit Robert". You got it.

To all american readers : Lepen is a "leftiste" ?!!!
You must be kidding Carine !
I mean it's the proof you're disconnected from the real (french) world.
Lepen is not leftiste, nor rightiste. He's fascist, which means anti-democracy. And truly anti-american, I can tell you ;-)
So when you have the choice between someone who support democracy and one who is not. What will you do ? You got it again.

And about those 40% of french who voted far-left or far-right : this is what democracy is about.
Maybe it's better that to have only two choices in an election so important like in the USA (maybe you'd prefer only one possibiity, after all).
At least, in France, everyone can speak. Can you say the same thing in the USA when only two parties are there ? Come on...

And by the way, I'm sorry, but you have to change your "about us" page. Yes, we're not the "Old Europe" anymore. Thanks to Donald who now is aware that he is getting old himself !
Have a look here : http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6957486/

Jérôme,

Carine : how many french do you know who, when they are looking for a word, check it out in the "Dictionnaire de l'Académie Française" ? Seriously ?

Of course, I know none like you, thank God!
Just because most French can't write their own language correctly - and you're certainly no exception, I've checked your blog - doesn't mean I should start doing the same.

As they say in their "a propos" page, it's a work in progress and they working on the new version sicne 1990 and it's not even finished.

Geez, what do you know exactly about l'Académie française if anything at all?

No, when we are looking for a word we have a look in a common dictionnary, one you can buy in any librairy ou supermarket, like "Larousse" ou "Petit Robert". You got it.

And you can find just about anything - anything - in a French "common dictionnary" (sic) like "bobo", "trash" or worse, "kiffer". So now "kiffer" is a French word? Yep, as much as étatsuniens. Now, do you get it?
That's what I thought, you know nothing at all about l'Académie française, especially not what it's about.

To all american readers : Lepen is a "leftiste" ?!!!
You must be kidding Carine !

Contrary to you, visibly, I read his program.
And of course, naturally, he's anti-American.

I mean it's the proof you're disconnected from the real (french) world.

Sure. Btw, I'm the one living in France, I don't get my daily dose of "real (french) [sic] world" via TV5.

He's fascist, which means anti-democracy.

And where is fascism coming from, exactly?

So when you have the choice between someone who support democracy and one who is not. What will you do ? You got it again.

Because Chirac is supporting democracy? Oh really?!? Because he has been elected democratically??

And about those 40% of french who voted far-left or far-right : this is what democracy is about.

Exactly. And that gives us a good idea of how the French behave and what they believe in.

Maybe it's better that to have only two choices in an election so important like in the USA (maybe you'd prefer only one possibiity, after all).

Maybe you should take advantage of your time there to "learn" as you said, a little bit more about American democracy, and her many parties, other than through LeMonde.fr, instead of posting stupidities.

And I thought you were the one having no choice? Heh.

At least, in France, everyone can speak. Can you say the same thing in the USA when only two parties are there ? Come on...

Only two parties?!? Ahem. How ignorant are you, Jérôme? Ignorant and/or dishonest? Little boy, where are you living exactly? Please tell me you just pretend to live in the United States of America...

Everybody can speak in France? Sure. We don't even have un parti libéral, au sens français du terme.
And tell me: where was the French Libertarian party in French elections, because there was a Libertarian candidate for presidential American elections? What? There is no Libertarian party in France? I see. But we need not worry, we've got plenty of communist and trotskyist parties instead. Plenty of choice indeed on the totalitarian scale. France knows the road to serfdom. Always did, always will.

There were actually more than one candidate in the United States. Either you spend your days in front of your computer reading Le Monde and Libé, either you have a lot of homework to do.
But then again, your English isn't that good. Maybe you just don't "get it".

And by the way, I'm sorry, but you have to change your "about us" page. Yes, we're not the "Old Europe" anymore.

That you say. And we do as we please in our house. Did we ask you to correct your spelling mistakes on your blog?

Indeed, you can be sorry. Very sorry.

Jerome,

You said, "Maybe it's better that to have only two choices in an election so important like in the USA (maybe you'd prefer only one possibiity, after all)."

Dude, you are too completely IGNORANT to debate "democracy" with. Please go pick up a US civics book and read it. We vote for everything from our local schoolboard and law enforcement officials, to our President. We have passionate public debate. Don't make me educate you about Primaries.

You said something else I found completely ignorant: "At least, in France, everyone can speak. Can you say the same thing in the USA when only two parties are there ? Come on... "

We have actual public debate in our country that informs public opinion and shapes our laws and policies. Yes, you can say anything in the US, even with "only two parites". You have clearly never been here. Anyone can say anything, and they do it everyday. I hear one voice in France, and very little informed public debate.

France is like one big echo chamber. Everyone is singing from the same book (probably that brand new and very dynamic little dictionary you're so proud of). Do us a favor. Start talking enthusiastically about all the wonderful things you love about America and Americans in a Paris coffee shop. Talk it over with your friends and family. Bring back all the fair and informed opinions.

You summed the whole problem up: "So when you have the choice between someone who support democracy and one who is not. What will you do ? You got it again."

Whenever France has the choice of supporting free America, or her good dictator friends, France always seems to side with tyranny AGAINST democracy. And I'm supposed to believe your "diplomacy" is just too sophistocated as to render it incomprehensible to stupid simple war-mongoring Americans like me. France is no friend of mine.

Jerome, nevermind the US civics book. I am changing your reading assignment. Read the US Constitution, and then read your brand spanking new EU Constitution. The way Americans feel about sovereignty and freedom makes you and I incompatible as friends, I'm afraid. Read the constitutions.

Tom,

Everyone is singing from the same book (probably that brand new and very dynamic little dictionary you're so proud of). I swear no! If you can read a little French, I advise you to go and read some French speaking blogs and forums, it's pathetic: French people can't neither speak nor write their own language correctly.

Tom,

Thanks for your comments.

Unfortunately, I myself have little hope in France. That is why I will leave this country one day, the sooner the better. Preferably for the United States, of course.

"ello again mates

I am from California. On March the 8th we are having a suplimental election due to the untimely demise of the congressman from my district. Currently there are 3 Democrats, 5 Republicans, and 1 Independant, on the ballot. Eight people running for one seat is the kind of Democracy I like.
Congressman Bob Matsui's widow is the current front runner.

Although I cannot speak for Jerome, perhaps when he was speaking of a two party stystem, he was referring to the Electoral College?

As most Americans are aware, our country supports numerous political parties during any presidential election, (during the 2000 election, I counted 15) nevertheless, no candidate has any real hope of being elected unless they are from one of the two powerful parties, either democratic or republican.

The only delegates the Electoral Collage sends are of those two parties, although they might have a few independents thrown in, I can't remember.

If I'm wrong, someone please feel free to correct me.

Anyway, getting back to the "American issue". I believe it was the French, specifically those in the court of King Louie XVI, who first referred to Ben Franklin as a "American". Of course, Ben was petitioning the king to help the then colonies of England gain independence.

snack,

Forget about it: when the elections in Irak took place, French said: "Tsss, over 150 lists, that's just a parody of democracy". And when the US elections take place, with "only" two major parties, they say: "Tss, only 2 lists, that's just a parody of democracy".
It's like that. Understand that: here, reality is not important, arguing is futile. Only ideology matters.

Ashamed,

I kind of thought it was futile when I wrote it, but I felt that I had to try.

Why is France so consistently condescending toward America? I understand that this isn't a new phenomenon, but it seems to have intensified during the last 20 years.

Snak - it's for self-esteem. France inflates itself by deflating others.

I'm sure the Canadian government won't mind if l'AA is published in Montreal.

Won't mind? They'll fund it.

Not every french agree with Chirac and not EVERY american agree with Bush (who got reelected with the less votes ever for a reelected president, by the way).

In 1916 Woodrow Wilson beat Charles Hughes, re-elected by 591,385 votes. But please, don't let mere reality prevent you from parroting cherished leftisms.

In day to day conversation, when we say "an american", we usually don't talk about a guy from Chile or Argentina, but in formal and serious publications, if you say an American, it literally means "some guy coming from the american continent".

There is no American continent; there are two continents, North America and South America. If you were to call both by the name "America" (I have the impression this is the case?), your imaginary friend from Mexico would probably find that offensive. People from South America are not Americans, they are South Americans; people from North America are not Americans, they are North Americans. Truncating both North and South America to just "America" erodes precision and has no purpose beyond advancing what is even then still a flimsy semantic argument. If you genuinely call Chileans 'Americans', then stop it; I think they would appreciate being correctly identified. "United Statesians" is a term that I suspect was crafted with the express intent of legitimizing the claim that calling citizens of the USA "Americans" is arrogant, because there is certainly no other use for it.

About vocabulary, we're just trying to be the most accurate possible.

You're broadening the term "American" from a single country to two entire continents, and you call that trying to be as accurate as possible? Wait, I forgot - you're French. What you're actually doing doesn't matter, only what you claim to be doing. Sorry.

And about the humoristic drawings in LeMonde, since you read it, you should be aware that they have the same ones toward our own gouvernment !!!

"Humoristic"? "Disgusting" is a better term for many of them. When was the last time that a member of your government was depicted gleefully wading through dead bodies, or cheerfully dripping with blood?

No no no, those people are not learning, those people are misinformed, that's different.

Absorbing indoctrination can probably be said to fit the definition of learning, however, application of critical thinking is probably scarce.

And, to lecture you on how you should use language a little more, you seem to habitually use "leaving" when your intended meaning is "living". ;)

I agree with BRB - Americans generally liked France a lot more before they got to know France.

More for your list, PT - Never again try to legitimize terrorists. Let the ink dry on a treaty before you break it; better yet, even let the paper get wrinkled a bit. If you're going to set rules for everyone to follow, attempt to follow them.

Can you just tell me of only ONE American politician who would have lasted so long living on American taxpayers' back?

Teddy Kennedy (who, incidentally, is a corrupted socialist - coincidence?). Too easy.

Guillermito - some day we will have the technology to visit your world, but probably not in my lifetime.

Ok you can go back to telling us why France matters. Where is France anyway?

You'll burn in hell or be rewarded in heaven for that. I'm on the edge of my seat to find out which.

Did France really believe the "illegal" no-fly zones could be the only thing standing between the Kurds and Shia and more of Saddam's "native justice" forever?

The no-fly zones were instituted at the request of France; they drafted the resolution with Turkey. France even helped patrol them, briefly; then they pissed off and left us and the Brits to shoulder their load (at about $1 bn/year)

If French diplomats are so skillful, why don't they ever get anything actually done?

Because there's ALWAYS one more thing you can fail at. "That didn't work? OK, let's say this!" Remember - actually doing things costs money. You can't do things if you'd like a 35 hour work week, so you go to plan B; lots of fruitless pomp, and pre-empt criticism by complaining loudly about someone else.

Carine, you give me new hope for your country, and your countrymen.

If Carine and the Dissident Frogman had kids, France would finally rule the world. Well, whatever was left of France would, anyway; I think their teen years would be rough on ol' Marianne.

Lepen is not leftiste, nor rightiste. He's fascist

Fascism is a leftist ideology. Brush up on the early 20th century.

The only delegates the Electoral Collage sends are of those two parties, although they might have a few independents thrown in, I can't remember. If I'm wrong, someone please feel free to correct me.

The last non-R/non-D candidate to take electoral votes was Wallace in ('64? '68?). Perot was the last one to grab a decent slice of the popular vote (about 19%, '92 I believe).

I had heard of Wallace and his votes before, just a superficial knowledge. Regardless, I don't believe a third party can really offer a viable alternative within the electoral college. Ross Perot, if I remember correctly, didn't get any electoral votes.

Teddy got 88 electoral votes during the election of 1912

The Bull Moose party platform - "New Nationalism" - included direct election of U.S. Senators, the creation of an initiative, referendum, and recall process, woman suffrage, a national tariff reduction, child labor laws, old-age pensions, and other social reforms. Roosevelt's agenda had broad support. Despite splitting the Republican vote with Taft, and therefore losing the general election to the Democratic nominee, Woodrow Wilson, T.R. received 88 electoral votes and more than four million popular votes. He soundly defeated Taft; if Taft had not run, and those who had voted for Taft then voted for T.R., Wilson probably would have lost. No third party candidate has since come close to T.R.'s success. A final indication of Roosevelt's appeal and influence is that most of his agenda became law, in several cases through a strenuous constitutional amendment process.

how funny people think and talk...
bon, je me suis bien marré.
corine, toujours aussi drole. tu penses comme tu pisses, c'est à dire en laissant couler le fiel qui t'habites. la prochaine fois, fais comme le sphincter, structure ta merde, coupe et recoupe. essaie de montrer, sinon ton intelligence, au moins ta capacité à faire semblant.
j'etudie à HK ou je vois passer bien des etudiants et bien des mationalités. les etudiants americains sont sympas. les francais aussi, on mange des chips et on regarde le superbowl, et puis apres on les invite pour le tournoi des 6nations de rugby. sans evangelisme cependant. mais sans complexe (au choix) d'inferiorité et de superiorité.
je ne pense pas revenir sur ce site, car m'expliquer plus avant sur nos modes de pensee respectifs seraient trop long. mais ce qui est certain c'est qu'ici, toute reflexion est impossible. tu conchies, tu compisses, tu conspues mais tu ne reflechis point. la reflexion, comme l'etymologie l'indique, c'est avant tout se mettre à la place de l'autre pour faire avancer sa propre pensée, en tout cas dans un dialogue. ce n'est pas essayer de trouver une phrase a repondre à chacune de ses virgules.
tu me fais rire, car l'humour est la politesse du desepoir.
l'anti americain (journal) m'a fait rire pour les memes raisons
phil

USA IS SICK
all this messages proove it, it's a succession of Bullshit , counter truth , etc..etc...and shildish attacks.

you are actually sick. You don't even noticed the Humoristic tone of "l'anti-american", where they laugh themselve at their anti-americanism

good luck
you will need it

Dear Charles,

You're a puppet spewing the vitriolic venom of your pompous leaders. Try understanding an issue before spouting off such crass statements.

Phil,

La classe du Français coco moyen qui tutoie tout ce qui bouge et qui n'a rien d'intelligent, voire rien du tout à dire : dans sa frustration de ne pouvoir soutenir le débat (dans la langue de l'hôte qui lui laisse la parole qui plus est, bien sûr, mais la politesse, on s'en tape n'est-ce pas ? C'est une merde inventée par les ultra-libéraux impérialio-capitalistes suceurs de sang, n'est-ce pas ?), on injure et insulte dans le seul registre que l'on est capable de soutenir à votre niveau, le registre pipi-caca.

Vos histoires perso sont d'ailleurs tout à fait hors sujet ici. En clair, votre vie, on s'en tape. Donc à moins, la prochaine fois, que le commentaire soit posté en anglais et en rapport avec le sujet du post, et non ordurier, il est en effet inutile de revenir. Allez donc pleurer dans les jupes de votre maman entre deux grenadines à la cafèt avec vos potes sans complexe.

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you are actually sick. You don't even noticed the Humoristic tone of "l'anti-american", where they laugh themselve at their anti-americanism

Geez, looks like you don't understand French better than you understand English. I put the French version for guys like you.

If the words of Mr. Royer sound funny to your ear, well, I'm not that surprised. But you will be the one needing help.

Doug,

And, to lecture you on how you should use language a little more, you seem to habitually use "leaving" when your intended meaning is "living". ;)

Indeed, I did it too many times. Well, I stand corrected. Thanks :)

If Carine and the Dissident Frogman had kids, France would finally rule the world. Well, whatever was left of France would, anyway; I think their teen years would be rough on ol' Marianne.

As far as I'm concerned, I intend to give birth in a free country. So there are chances my kids won't be French.

anti americanism can be explained by french self sufficiency. But what will explain anti frenchism?

What "anti frenchism"?

What "french self sufficiency"?!?