July 24, 2005

French hatred

These past two weeks, I have received a number of comments from condescending French (sorry for the redundancy), self-proclaimed men, writing either to insult me, to tell me I was a xenophobe, a fascist, a right-wing extremist, that what I am writing is hateful "sh-t" proving I don't know anything about France, that I can go live in the United States where my stupidity will rightly find a home, that this Internet weblog called E-nough! whose hosting space I pay for with my money is no private property and they so think they can tell me what I should do, fix, write, post here. And of course a mix of all that in most cases.

Now, if you please, let's take a look at two pictures I took this weekend in Paris.

Remember I'm supposedly the fascist one. And there is no anti-Americanism in France. No anti-Semitism. France is a beautiful, peaceful and cultivated country, whose "social model" everyone should follow (does it sound familiar?).

July 23rd, 2005 - Assemblée NationaleAss_nat_croix_gammee2.jpg
The swastika has been here for at least two weeks, that is before the July 14 celebrations for Bastille Day, while the Presidential tribune was just across the Concorde bridge

July 23rd, 2005 - Jules Joffrin subway stationFrench_kill_Am2.jpg
"To saved [sic] the world, kill an Amerikan [sic]"
See, some here are against spelling rules, any rule actually. 'Cuz it's not "cool", ya know.

Posted by Carine at July 24, 2005 06:40 PM
Comments

Wow. This was just posted to f**kfrance.com.

Posted by: Biff Skip at July 25, 2005 12:15 AM

And in all capitol letters too.

Posted by: Charles at July 25, 2005 06:58 PM

People tagging streets and subways are, for sure, representative of the French.
I'm sure you can found better, just pick up LeMonde in the garbage can of your subway.

Posted by: Mr Saucisse at July 26, 2005 08:46 AM

Interresting I must say.

Does the nazi cross has something to do with the assemblée nationale ? (answer : because right-wingers have the majority)

For sure, the guy who wrote that in the subway must not be very clever and hatred doesn't bring anything good... But maybe it was just a foolish act, the poor guy learnt 5 min before that the US of A (5% of world's population) "eat" 25% of world's raw material.

It open a debate around the question : how come that USA throw world's energy out of the window ?

Posted by: Bored at July 30, 2005 12:30 AM

Bored le bien nommé,

Your ignorance is so crass that it's not even worth answering (again and again - see previous comments).

Oh and thanks for confirming my point regarding French hatred.

Btw, it may break your little amphibian heart, but Hitler was a socialist.

Posted by: Carine at July 30, 2005 06:52 PM

You don't know how to face the truth and the question you cannot answer so you deal with my so-called ignorance.

Why don't you recognize that you aren't aware of how the world works instead of hidding it behind old issues ?

Who said there wasn't hatred in France ? For sure I nerver did, it's a pity but open you eyes : there's hatred eveywhere...

Talking about hatred, don't you know that american people are very concerned about the emergence of nazi groups all over the US ?
Yes, American History X, was based on real facts. Don't try to convince people that world's evil is concentrated in France.

You see just what you want your eyes to see.

Posted by: Bored at July 31, 2005 10:12 PM
You don't know how to face the truth and the question you cannot answer so you deal with my so-called ignorance.

What questions? Your pretense of knowledge about the United States? I have no time to lose on your ignorance and this you cannot deal with. I have already answered to similar Le Monde-like untruths either here or at Pave France. I have no time to use with one more guy like you blinded by anti-American propaganda.

Why don't you recognize that you aren't aware of how the world works instead of hidding it behind old issues ?

Oh but you know, right? Give me a minute so I can catch my breath after laughing out loud.

Old issue? Which old issue? Anti-Americanism in France? Hatred in France in general? Too many French people siding with the terrorists? Yes, I'm afraid they are old issues but they are unfortunately as true today as they were when they began to be a big problem.

Who said there wasn't hatred in France ? For sure I nerver did, it's a pity but open you eyes : there's hatred eveywhere...

Heal the world... So what's your problem with me dealing with French hatred? I never said the rest of the world was a peaceful utopia. I'm no socialist. The truth is that WWI and WWII started in Europe for a reason.

Talking about hatred, don't you know that american people are very concerned about the emergence of nazi groups all over the US ? Yes, American History X, was based on real facts.

See that's the difference between France and the U.S.: they are concerned and they talk about it. See your reaction to my post: pointing the finger at someone else.

Don't try to convince people that world's evil is concentrated in France.

I didn't try to convince anyone. I took pictures and I received insults. Two different events, btw. I think its pretty self-explanatory.

You see just what you want your eyes to see.

Says he who instead of discussing French hatred, the subject of this post, constantly points the finger at America.

Posted by: Carine at July 31, 2005 11:05 PM

As I see you're in a good mood, dear Carine -- i.e. if I were you, this cr*p would instantly have been erased -- I'd like to try to explain our teeny weeny lefty boy a little thing:
In the real world (I mean not according to what we can hear always and everywhere here in the so-called news), the energy consumed is not the global energy. It's the available part of the discovered energy resources. And who discovers energy resources? And who makes it available? Those who consume, dork!

Now, please, get an other place to drop your [bloodshed and genocide] Marxist ideology, indymedia for example, you'll get a lot of new dudes enjoying your rhetoric... Really, you should!

Posted by: ashamed-frenchman at July 31, 2005 11:34 PM

These past two weeks, I have received a number of comments from condescending French (sorry for the redundancy), self-proclaimed men, writing either to insult me, to tell me I was a xenophobe, a fascist, a right-wing extremist, that what I am writing is hateful "sh-t" proving I don't know anything about France, that I can go live in the United States where my stupidity will rightly find a home, that this Internet weblog called E-nough! whose hosting space I pay for with my money is no private property and they so think they can tell me what I should do, fix, write, post here.

Let's see how my French is coming along - that's called "fraternité", right?

A dirty place where we think about human progress before profits or money ?

"Human progress" - that means maintaining a 10% unemployment figure, right? Because insuring that one in ten people can't earn a living is real progress.

Posted by: Doug at August 5, 2005 09:19 AM

Hi there. First of all, please give some excuse to my pityful english :) Thank you.

I'm just browsing the net and i found this web log. Being french, liking my fellow occidental people from the other side of the Atlantic ocean, i'd like to give some enlightment about how to read thoses pictures, knowing what the life and ideas of people from France are like.

About the taggers (graffiti sprayers ?). Well ... don't take seriously what they write. They are generally about 15 years old. When I was a kid, I was sometimes drawing into my books some of those nazi cross. It wasn't because I was feeling "national socialist". Indeed, it is just because there is a lot of "bourrage de crâne" [there is a difference in french between "brainwashing" ("lavage de cerveau") and filling minds of people with a lot of data about a specific subject ("bourrage de crâne") but it seems that both are translated "brainwashing" ... hmm, annoying ...] about how Hitler and what he did is the most hawful man that ever lived in this world. So 99% of french people will tell you : "Hey ! Hitler was a bad guy ! A bad guy I tell you ! If I was living in the 40s ! It is a mass killer ! And a racist !" Well ... with so much documentaries consolidating that point of view (every channels, every monthes, every years ...), younglings just have the (bad) IIIrd reich in mind and have to vomit it a way or another. And sometimes, drawing a svastika is just a way of feeling that you are "doing something wrong". It is not very harmful. Just a normal 15 years old kid that feels bored.

About anti-americanism, now. That is true. To a certain point. And it is a very old story. French people (and their parents, and their grand-parents before them, and so on ...) are used to think those several points with more or less vehemence : US governments are imposing their laws all around the world ; US governments are creating wars either directly (by a war act) or not (by selling weapons to help a Coup d'Etat or any other means) ; US Army is the biggest army in the world and confort the US government to do whatever it likes to do ; American people sees the world in blacks and whites terms ; American people are misinformed about what is really going on around the world ; American soldiers are just poor people transformed into canon fodder just to keep the oil price low ; American movies aren't very smart but quiet entertaining ; whatever happens into the american common life will show out ten years later in the french common life (yes, french thinks they mimic US habits) ; ...

It is a long list. But remember I am not telling you my personnal point of view, but the way french people usually see the USA.

Maybe the roots of this point a view are to be found in the wars and competitions that occured through ages between France and United Kingdoms.

Then you will always find french people that will be on the starting blocks to spit in the face of any american they meet "what they think about their country". And ... that's it. You will never see a french doing more than complaining.

That being said, well, among those same french people, you will find an "american people are our friends and that's all" attitude. And that can be very friendly. Believe me.

So, when seeing french people complaining about american people : relax. And keep that in mind :
- Whatever french people are saying, they aren't able to see that the things they criticize are happening right into their own country (big brother, culture lack, disinformation, ...).
- French people don't really hate americans. But they will often say they do.
- French people hate war. They automaticly think about the families that will suffer of this. So their government will do anything to stop or at least retard a war. They do not care if France is involved or not.
- French people never solve anything. They criticize. In any kind of field. International. National. Regional. Familial. Personnal. Political. Organizational. Cultural. Private/Public "businessal". ...
- French governement instored a preventive measure called "vigi pirate" that is clearly antiterrorist and is something like "if you witness anything that looks like a terrorist attitude, call the nearest police officer / security agent".
- The french country had a very weak christian culture. It is now filled with a solid muslim culture. French government has to deal with it (very carefuly) will doing foreign policy [international politic ?]. Whatever is the move of France in the internationnal scene, there is that Damocles Sword (or ticking bomb ?) suspended hover it's head.

Posted by: Nicolas at May 1, 2006 02:48 AM
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