" Vietnam was a war won in the field and lost behind the CBS anchor desk. "

Vietnam was won on the field ?????
Is it an american Joke ?

You lost in every field !

I was going to post exactly the same thing Michel...

The only field where the US won is number of victims... (58 000, and 1.5 million for the vienamese).

Ho, I forgot :

I wwent on your link : "Israel I stand tall with you".
Well it's a good thing to support the families of the victims of homicide bombers, but who's going to support the 2.7 millions (I love numbers) of palestinian refugees ? They did not hurt annyone after all.

Terror infrastructure of the palestinian ? No smoke without fire, reminds us of the war of independance in Algeria, US, etc...

Colonisation = abuses = war

We lost nowhere in Viet Nam. Every single battle was ours. Even the South Vietnamese rarely lost battles.

Thanks to anti-Americans like walter cronkite, we ended up quitting early and going home - but quitting while you're doing well is a far cry from losing.

You were looser in Vietnam, the same way we were looser in Algeria ...

When people loose, they loose, that's it !

The vietnameses kicked your asses out !
Even the Yankees can loose, and Irak will demonstrate it one more time ...

Stop showing off !

When I left Nam in 1972, the VC couldn't mount more than platoon sized units at best. They were defeated. US units were reduced to almost nothing by 1974. It was the North Viet Namese regular army that defeated the south. The South Viet Namese army was denied promised supplies and air support as Nixon left office.

Stop " re-writing " HISTORY the way it suits you !

The ( little) south Viet Army and the ( big ) US Army were defeteated together in the same time ....

Sorry for you, but that is REALLITY !

Michel,

You can stamp your little feet and hold your breath until you turn blue, but it won't change things.

The South VN army was not provided supplies as promised because a democratic congress cut them off cold. Read Vo Van Giap's works, he pretty much agreed. Yes, they prevailed, but not because of victories by the VC.

The result was 840,000 refugees, 150,00 plus in re-education camps (gulags) and Lord knows how many executed.

Nobody's re-writing history except you. The last defeats of a western military in Viet Nam were french defeats, not American.

Michel, try learning history in some environment more suitable to the task than a tavern. Walter Cronkite heard reports of attacks all over the country and just assumed the south was getting it's tail kicked. When he got in front of a news camera and declared the war "unwinnable", this led to the tide of public opinion turning inexorably against the war. In actual fact, the north was not just defeated across the front, but crushed and crippled. The VC were practically finished, and the north's People's Army never really regained its footing for the rest of the war; however, with our 5th columnists proclaiming loss and quagmire at the top of their lungs, the American public never really got that message. It's the only song they've known how to sing for 30 years - and I know you love to hear it.

Tet Offensive

Although generally considered a disastrous military failure that resulted in the loss of an estimated 35,000 men killed, 60,000 wounded, and 6,000 POWs, against 2,800 ARVN and 1,100 US KIA, the Tet Offensive has also been seen as a turning point of the war in Vietnam, in which the NLF and PAVN won an enormous psychological and propaganda victory leading to the loss of popular support for the War in the United States and the eventual withdrawal of American troops, effects likely exacerbated by the Johnson Administration's preceding failure to communicate openly with the public about the conduct of the War.

Messers. Michel et Stéphane,

Always nice for our friends from France to swan in and remind us about your mess in the Maghreb. We don't dispute that you, speaking for France, a spent colonial power and a third-bench player in today's world, know more than us about losing. But being so expert in losing has left you clueless about what a win is.

That you gleefully concur with Mr. bin Laden's view of things has little to do with the established facts. The war in Vietnam was won in the field. Please cite any credible historian with facts to the contrary. But you, of course, are not here about history.

You are here to clap for Mr. bin Laden. Or any villian that might bloody America, making you, and by extension France, feel less puny.

Or perhaps you have written recklessly and not thought things through and properly informed yourselves.

Then again, more likely you are just French donkeys thinking a diminished America improves rayonnement français.

DGB

There's a fact I forgot :
It was won on the field(S). Of course, because the fields have lost, because now nothing grows on the fields.

By the way, waging war isn't something that one can be proud about, even more for those who aren't ON the battlefield.

For you french, that's true.

M. Stéphane,

What is the point of answering your stupid claims.

You have no history. You have no facts. All you have is a head full of placard notions.

Responding to your posts is like beating a marshmallow, impossible to make an impression while affording you your tickle of attention.

Adieu, M. Stéphane,
DGB

American way of life ...
American way of thinking ...

Keep on shouting yourself, guys ! :)

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A. We beat the snot out of the Vietnamese.
Something the Phrench and even China can`t boast about.
The bombing campaign of 1972 totally destroyed North Vietnams air defenses and was within a hairs breath of destroying their entire infrastructure. Had the campaign been allowed to continue another 4 weeks, North Vietnam would have had no choice but to capitulate.

But guess who begged and pleaded the U.S. to come back to the negotiating table!!!

That`s right, Phrance!!! The very same country that started the whole mess with Uncle Ho in the first place, and the same country that pussied out and ran home with their tail between their legs the first time the VC gave them a bloody nose. The whole time Phrance was running home they were crying to my Rich Uncle Sam to save them.

The only Phrench soldiers who can do any real fighting aren`t Phrench at all but Legionaires, so spare me the Art Of War from the Phrench perspective.

Now, on topic.
Am I the only one who notices the significance of the call for a truce from Al Quaida?

Since I wasn`t educated in the Progressive and Enlightened schools of Europe, I might not be as All Knowing as Stephane and Michel, but I know a stall when I see one.

Radical Islamists NEVER call for a truce unless they`re at a severe disadvantage and need time to re-group. NEVER, as in, At No Time.

Believe it or not it has more to do with Image than anything else. How they are perceived by their fellow jihadis is so important to them that it defines how they will act in any given circumstance, and THAT is what we should be looking at.

To retreat or re-group is an insult to them, but to lose the war is the ultimate insult.
Keep in mind that these are the same people who won`t use their left hand in social situations because it`s the hand they wipe their ass with and to touch another with it is considered an insult worthy of death.

They are so anti-social that very few of them can even speak directly to a woman who isn`t a relative. Something which you MUST do if you are in the West.

Historicly, psychologicly, and as a matter of stern principle, they NEVER suggest a truce unless they are in fear of losing.

My recommendation is to keep pounding the piss out of them. Hunt them down to the ends of the earth. Don`t give them a chance to even catch their breath.
Go after the jugular.

The song remains the same ...

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Hang on Guys ! :)

Foreigner can hold rank up to major in Foreign Legion. Old legionnaire joke, For victory, first shoot the colonels (i.e. french officers).

Arab word for truce better translates as "pausing to reload and regroup."

Am I the only one who notices the significance of the call for a truce from Al Quaida? ... I know a stall when I see one.

Posted by Joatmoaf at August 7, 2005 11:48 PM

Hhmmm, Joatmoaf, we thought we had made this very point in the post: "Successful generals parlay their advantages. Failing generals parlay for relief."

DGB

Touch or touche (I can`t make my keyboard do those little Phrench squiggles)