October 25, 2005
Both are indeed "religions" of tolerance and peace
When it comes to France, you will never be out of contradictions. Especially when French socialists - of all kinds - are involved.
Here is a piece of news from today:
A French court yesterday fined a mayor $900 for banning a fashion show that would have displayed a range of women's outfits designed to respect Islamic tradition.
The administrative tribunal found that Jean-Pierre Brard, the communist mayor of the eastern Paris suburb of Montreuil-sous-Bois, was wrong to have issued a municipal decree last year forbidding the show.
Mr. Brard banned the fashion show because, he said, it promoted the wearing of the Islamic veil, it barred men from being in the audience, and it "could result in a serious disturbance of the peace."
From the same city, same mayor, same year:
Party General Secretary Nong Duc Manh on June 7 visited the Ho Chi Minh Space in Montreuil city where images and objects of late President Ho Chi Minh are on display.He also laid a wreath at President Ho Chi Minh's Monument.
General Secretary Manh expressed his joy at visiting Montreuil city, the home of the Alive Historical Museum, and the Ho Chi Minh Space, Monument, and Museum.
He expressed his thanks to the authorities and people of Montreuil for preserving President Ho's objects while meeting with Mayor Jean-Pierre Brard.
Manh told Montreuil's mayor that the French city has become a familiar place to the Vietnamese people because it houses the Ho Chi Minh Space and the Ho Chi Minh Museum, which was inaugurated on the 115th birthday of the famous Vietnamese national liberator and cultural activist (May 19, 2005). . .Mayor Jean-Pierre Brard, who is also a member of the French Parliament, spoke highly of President Ho Chi Minh, saying the President was an inspiration in the struggle against imperialism and colonialism for nations all over the world. He affirmed the French people's continued support for the Vietnamese people in their present national construction and development.
In the evening on the same day, Foreign Minister Douste Blazy hosted a banquet in honour of General Secretary Manh and other distinguished Vietnamese guests.
Ho Chi Minh à l'honneur à Montreuil
Posted by Carine at October 25, 2005 11:39 AMHey you're gonna confuse our american friends if you start talking of communists as 'socialists'.
France is in an anti-muslim/arab paranoid fantasy at the moment.
Actually, it has been in a paranoid fantasy about anything which sticks out from the 'republican ideal' for well over a century probably.
Great Britain has many faults, but it is a model of integration compared to France. Different cultures are celbrated within the british entity. You don't have to give up your ethnic culture to be british.
Hey you're gonna confuse our american friends if you start talking of communists as 'socialists'.
Kid, you do know how Americans are confused of reading Marx's scientific socialism, in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the Socialist Republic of Vietnam, the People's Socialist Republic of Albania, the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, the Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka, the Socialist Republic of Romania, the Belarusian Soviet Socialist Republic, the Czecho-Slovak Socialist Republic, the Soviet Socialist Republic or Tadzhikistan, the Kirghiz Soviet Socialist Republic, the Transcaucasian Soviet Federated Socialist Republic, the Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republic... And others tens Socialist regimes which spilled the blood of 200,000,000 victims around the world. That, kid, is socialism.
Do you think Americans are confused by having a glance at the National-Socialist German Workers' Party programme? Are they confuse when learning Mussolini's publications as he was the editor in chief of the Italian Socialist Party's review in the early 20th century, or when he founded the Italian Social Republic in 1943 after having been freed by his fellow nazi friends? Are they confused when they get the fact than not a single starvation in the 20th century was the result of a state that didn't have Socialist in its name?
Americans must be real confused.
I think they'll thank you, as you're a real relief for not considering Socialism for what it is. And you'll get confused soon, when France will become France People's Republic under the rule of komrade Besancenot: get used to the crap bucket you used when you were younger, that's the only dish one has to eat in a gulag.
jez,
Just one question: you're wearing Chié Guevara t-shirts, aren't you?
Posted by: Carine at October 29, 2005 11:31 PMBloody hell, you guys really know how to hold a reasoned argument dontcha?
Socialism IN FRANCE is different from Communism. Besancenot is in the Ligue Communiste Revolutionnaire, which is not the same as the Parti Communiste Francais. But I guess you know all this already.
You seem to enjoy fantasising about some kind of communist France. France is at the moment closer to fascism(note I do not say it IS fascist)than to communism. Then again, communism is as opportunistic a political movement as the rest of them. I know I disapoint you as you would love to ba able to categorise me.
If you wish to be taken seriously, insulting people and using fallacious arguments isn't the way, trust me.
France is at the moment closer to fascism(note I do not say it IS fascist)than to communism. Oh yes, you're right, and it's exactly what I said. Fascism and communism are both deadly runts of Socialism, nothing else. "Tutto nello Stato, niente al di fuori dello Stato, nulla contro lo Stato" (Mussolini's definition of fascism: "Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State").
I know I disapoint you as you would love to ba able to categorise me.
If you wish to be taken seriously, insulting people and using fallacious arguments isn't the way, trust me. Waw, don't be that pretentious kid: what I read from you so far makes me think you are just another little Weasel folk, a tiny little coward piece of socialist, nothing disappointing: I can hear hundreds of crackpots like you in my every day life, I live in Paris.
If you wish to be taken seriously, insulting people and using fallacious arguments isn't the way, trust me.
1) I don't give the littlest fu*king damn about beeing taken seriously by you or any kind of loony dhimmi like you.
2) "trust me"... I trust whom I want, kid, and whom I think he deserves so. And you just did not give us a single relevant sentence so far.
If you wish to be taken seriously, insulting people and using fallacious arguments isn't the way, trust me.
Oh really jez? Who called the other a fascist? Remember?
Posted by: Carine at October 30, 2005 03:14 PMIf I called anyone a fascist, that is a political opinion. 'crackpot', 'weasel' etc. are merely ad hominems. I realise you people don't give a damn about being taken seriously, and that's up to you. I will continue to show such reasoning for what it is:fallacious argument. Ad hominems do not represent reaoned argument.
Posted by: jez at November 1, 2005 12:52 PMYou will obviously continue to show bad faith and nothing else.
Posted by: Carine at November 1, 2005 01:19 PMYou're right jez, I repeat, I just don't care beeing taken seriously neither by a guy who blogs such l'Humanité-like fascist crap, nor by a paranoid considering "Weasel" ad hominem, considering "fallacious" arguments he just didn't try to counter-argue. Because he can't: facts are facts.
Posted by: McCarthy at November 1, 2005 01:46 PMIf you presume that I am a Humanité or PCF sympathiser, I will assume you didn't read my blog properly. As for countering fallacious arguments, what would be the point?:they are fallacious!
Posted by: jez at November 1, 2005 06:31 PMAs for countering fallacious arguments, what would be the point?:they are fallacious!
Who said so? Maybe the state should be held responsible for answering McCarthy...
Posted by: Carine at November 1, 2005 07:42 PM
